i think this is a lot of politics and believe me, i educate people on both sides of the aisle. i've been saving eagles for over 30 years. it took us over 30 years to bring the eagle back from the brink of extinction, a lot of work by hundreds of conservation groups and thousands of individuals across the country that put their heart and soul. and to do this, to give power companies a 30-year hunting license essentially to kill eagles and other birds is -- i think we're opening a pandora's box that will kill millions of birds over the next 30 years. tens of millions maybe, over the next 30 years and i don't understand why we're making this compromise. >> yeah. we've got a graphic to put up that shows the number of eagle deaths from wind turbines. the state of wyoming has recorded the most deaths. the whole problem is folks say, if you got these great big wind turbines, they kill a lot of birds and invariably, there are eagles there as well. what do you want them to do, al? >> well, i think first off, the 30-year permit thing ought to be nixed right now. we've already got five-ye